Doorstop issue

At today’s construction meeting Dorothy and Harold discussed with Bob the first solution to the rusting exterior flexible doorstops–rigid aluminum ones. These are needed for the upper deck and utility doors. We noted that these are mounted on the door (not the domed models on the wall that we had). While the utility room door hits the wall at 90 degrees, the upper deck froms an oblique angle that could, over time, loosen the stop in the door. We also noted that the new stops stick out farther since they need to be longer than the door levers, which we judged an aesthetic disadvantage. While taking pictures to illustrate the problem, we noticed that, since the new open-out doors are not recessed like the old ones were, they open (almost) completely (180 degrees), and can hit the wall or open awning windows. Some of the old doors had “gooseneck” stops screwed into the courtyard/patio tile–these will be replaced if there originally.
Do residents have strong opinions about which solution is better–rigid door-mount vs. convex wall-mount? If so, please discuss in the comments section, below.Image
Above is the solution used on the 900s-920s, which will soon be replaced by rigid models of the same type. Here is what can happen if the door is opened vigorously–the lever hits the wall:
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But will the rigid replacement loosen over time because it hits at an angle? How much are we willing to spend to buy convex models (flexible cost $.68, rigid $2-3, convex $4-5)? (We need maybe 90-100 for the remaining clusters, so the added cost would be about $200.)
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Finally, not to confuse matters, here is what a new gooseneck stopper looks like:
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And here is the application on the utility room door:
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8 Responses to Doorstop issue

  1. fygenson says:

    Hi Harold,
    Thanks for the update! A couple comments:
    about doorstops: FWIW: I prefer the look and mechanical stability of the convex wall mounts, which are the type we already have.
    about the images: I am shocked to see so much white on the presumably finished doors and windows in your images. Why isn’t the wall edge next to the utility door in your doorstoputility.jpg painted to match the abutting stucco?! Also, why are the gaskets in your doorstopgooseneck images white instead of a closer match to the final color (e.g. grey)?! Looks kind of silly as is… Perhaps this excessive presence of white has been discussed on the forum already and is being addressed? (If so, please point me there…) If not, perhaps we can start a discussion and figure out what can be done about it?
    Thanks, again, for making this forum which enables such issues to be discussed and resolved in a timely manner across the community.
    Sincerely,
    Deborah (972)

    • hmarcuse says:

      Looking at my own unit I see that the white perpendicular (to the plane of the wall) strip is the edge of the stucco coats, separated from the door framing by a bead of caulk. It is smooth white material (hard plastic is my guess). I’d agree that it is not a nice look. I presume there is a reason it can’t be painted–I’ll investigate further–but probably not until the next meeting. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us.

      • hmarcuse says:

        pasted from email to WCP Community from Deborah, with response from Aranye

        Hello Neighbors, I commented on Harold’s blog regarding the doorstops, but I just realized that many may not follow the blog and its comments, so I wanted to voice my concern here, where more may read and respond: I was shocked to see so much white on the presumably finished doors and windows in Harold’s doorstop images. It seems to be generally the case that wall edges next to some new doors (see doorstoputility.jpg in Harold’s latest post) are being left as white rather than being painted to match the abutting stucco. To me, this looks very bad, especially when the doors and windows are painted to match the original blue color. Not at all what I think was conceived of in the collective decision to match existing as much as possible by painting the doors and windows… Also, in Harold’s doorstop gooseneck images it seems that the gaskets of the new operable windows (which are visible from the outside) are white, making the window seem strangely unfinished! Shouldn’t they be a closer match to the final window trim color (e.g. grey)? I mean, it looks kind of silly to paint the window frames and leave the gaskets a high contrast color… I’ve looked through the forum and e-mails and I don’t believe this particular lack of attention to detail has been discussed on the forum. Would any care to further educate me, or otherwise comment?
        Respectfully, Deborah
        ——————————
        I believe there has been a little talk about paint inconsistency, but I think the inconsistencies were confined mostly to the tops of doors. Some homeowners had gone ahead and painted them, others wanted clarity with respect to the terms of the contract and how they were being fulfilled. Can’t remember how that ended up–most of us who are still in the thick of things merely pray for painting, period–but this does sound worse than what’s been discussed before. I hope we can do better.

        Aranye
        962

  2. cskaplan says:

    Just a few notes. Regarding my rusted ‘door stop’, it needs to be replaced. Given the problem which is now evident, will the first clusters be given an option of replacing these? If so, I don’t care that much about the cost, but I do want something which prevents the door from hitting the wall and doesn’t rust. Please make sure that those in the first clusters have an option to change to something which works.

    As to the white strips, I agree that they are a poor choice. At the moment mine are on my punch list because whoever painted close-by has dripped other colors of paint on them.

    • hmarcuse says:

      Everyone who already has a flexible doorstop will get a rigid one in its place. This will be done as part of the process of replacing the non-removable pins in the hinges.

  3. jredwolf says:

    the proposed doorstops won’t work in the long haul. I know, putting the mounts on the wall will penetrate the fabulous new tufflex. If “the project” won’t do it, there should be no illusions about the fact that homeowners will eventually resort to “self help”–probably with worse results on average than would be achieved by our contractors. Is there any evidence at all that the existing mounts were a source of leak problems?

    • hmarcuse says:

      The convex mounts would be well above the tufflex–at knob/lever height. Bob said that penetrating the stucco could be a problem, but hose mounts and similar things have been done with no or minimal ill effects. Do you think that they wouldn’t work over the long haul because of what Deborah calls the superior “mechanical stability” of the convex ones? That’s why I brought the issue up in the first place. Upon seeing the ones already installed, the utility door looks like it would be just fine, since it hits at 90 degrees. And the deck door probably too, but who knows.

  4. hmarcuse says:

    Gail responded with the new policy on Sept. 19:
    On 9/19/2013 5:02 PM, gail humphreys wrote:

    Hi all,
    Re doorstops. We are going to replace the flex/rust doorstops with aluminum fixed stops. In cases where the stops have not been installed, we will use the half-moon stop of old for the deck door.
    Gail
    ——————————-
    On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Cynthia Kaplan wrote:
    Gail,
    This is good. I was confused about waiting for new hinges (NPR) being connected with the installation of the doorstops. Can you explain this, or if we don’t know when the hinges will be available, can we just get the doorstops done?
    Many thanks.
    Cynthia
    ——————
    Harold: perhaps I can clarify: in the 900s to 920s the doorstop replacement and NRP hinge replacement will take place at the same time to simplify scheduling and limit the number of times workers need access to these units. There is no intrinsic connection between the two problems.

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